The Fraud That Transformed Psychiatry Series, Transcript P16

Shidonna Raven
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July 23, 2024

Source: The Scince History Institute

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Host: Alexis Pedrick

Senior Producer: Mariel Carr

Producer: Rigoberto Hernandez

Associate Producer: Sarah Kaplan

Audio Engineer: Jonathan Pfeffer

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Psychology professor David Rosenhan made waves with his “On Being Sane in Insane Places” study, but decades later its legitimacy was questioned.

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Transcript

Archived Audio of Dr. Rosenhan in Conversation: Do you think that Asians can, can get better going into institutions today as they are in this country? I really don’t. By and large, I think that psychiatric hospitals are non-therapeutic and would look forward to their being closed.

Alexis Pedrick: Psychiatric hospitals reached their peak numbers in 1955 and then gradually started declining into the ‘60s before Rosenhan’s study.

Susannah Cahalan: What happened with Rosenhan is it started the process of uniting left and right over this issue. You have this kind of financial perspective of, well, we’ll save money by closing these hospitals. Then you have this patient rights perspective of people shouldn’t be there.

Archived Audio of Dr. Rosenhan in Conversation: If you’re saying that mental institutions are not good places for people with emotional or mental problems to be, what can we do to help people with problems? You’ve got me over a barrel, Carol. I’m not sure. It’s so much easier to say no about something than to say yes.

Alexis Pedrick: But Rosenhan did have a prime example of how a psychiatric facility could be therapeutic, in Harry Lando’s experience.

Harry Lando: And I guess that’s where now I would really resent Rosenhan because he painted this incredibly negative picture and the reality is that in general, that was accurate, but to fail to recognize the exceptions and that there were places that were really good was an incredible lost opportunity, and I think it’s had major repercussions.

Alexis Pedrick: Rosenhan got his wish. Psychiatric hospitals closed, and for a lot of them, it was good riddance.

Susannah Cahalan: They should have disappeared because these were horrible places, but what was left was just kind of an emptiness. You know, what do you do now?

Alexis Pedrick: When asylums were closed, they were supposed to be replaced by a model called community care, and in theory, it’s great. Everyone who needs psychiatric care can get it while living in their own community, but it never really materialized. And today, the major centers of inpatient psychiatry in the U.S. are in prisons. But it wasn’t just the asylum system that felt the impact of the study. It prompted psychiatrists to completely change their system of diagnosing. They set out to revise psychiatry’s bible, the book that categorizes mental illness. It’s called the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or the DSM. There had already been two versions, now they needed another one.

Susannah Cahalan: They started the DSM III right after. This study was published and in the resulting publicity, so it was definitely a reaction to what was going on.

Alexis Pedrick: A serious, anti-Freudian, biologically minded psychiatrist was tapped to lead the revision, Robert Spitzer. His goal was to get rid of the Freudian influence, remove the psychobabble.

Susannah Cahalan: In general, it was a reaction to this kind of very loose, Freudian, uh, schizophrenia could be a million different things under the Freudian model.

Andrew Scull: The Freudians saw symptoms as the tip of the iceberg, the thing you needed to get behind. What Spitzer did was say, no, the symptoms are the disease, basically.

Alexis Pedrick: Robert Spitzer was not a fan of David Rosenhan or his study. He was a man of hard data, references, and classification. The vagueness of the Science article screamed sham to him, and he let Everyone in his orbit know it

Susannah Cahalan: Spitzer wrote two, maybe three articles. I think there were actually three articles about the study and he actually, he hosted a conference based on taking down this study. And he was the kind of guy I think that once he got something in his crosshairs, he wanted to chase it down. And he was really a tough guy and he really went after this study big time.

Alexis Pedrick: The problem was that his audience was other psychiatrists. So, it didn’t get out into the mainstream like Rosenhan’s study had. So, all he could do was use the opportunity to rewrite the DSM.

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